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Flex Design Circuit Calculator

Last post 08-08-2007, 8:10 AM by IFLYRC. 3 replies.
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  •  08-06-2007, 2:44 PM 505

    Flex Design Circuit Calculator

    Hi! I am trying to find a better calculator on how we determine trace widths, spacing, material thickness, etc when using flex length of like 11 to 15 inches long? Can flex length plays major roles in determine differential pairs?

    Thanks!

    Mark

    Harris Corp

  •  08-07-2007, 8:11 AM 506 in reply to 505

    Re: Flex Design Circuit Calculator

     Hello Mark,

    Good impedance calculators are somewhat uncommon. Several free calculators are available on the net, but most good calculators charge for their use. A couple that come to mind are Polar Instruments, and UltraCAD. I believe Polar has started a "pay as you go" service for those with lighter use requirements. It has been my experience that both of these offer pretty accurate results. There are of course others available, some are easier to use than others.

    Circuit length can be ignored as it is not a factor in solving for characteristic impedance, but length can make the need for impedance control less important in certain circumstances. In a low frequency application with very short trace runs (< 1/2") the impact of signal discontinuities caused by vias or component terminations becomes more of a problem than the circuit boards construction.  I'm not saying you can ignore it all together, just that as trace runs become very short characteristic impedance of the flex has much less impact in signal integrity.

    Just an added thought on impedance testing of actual boards, flex or rigid.  Characteristic impedance is indeed just that, "characteristic".  Often it is difficult to test the actual circuit pair due to conductor layout or inaccessible features.  Impedance testing should be done on a coupon built on the same process panel as the circuit.  One test per panel is sufficient.  Testing every differential pair may be possible but economically unviable.

  •  08-07-2007, 8:36 AM 507 in reply to 506

    Re: Flex Design Circuit Calculator

    Hello IFLYRC,

    Thank you for your explaination! We already have Polar and ULTRACAD calculators but they don't indicate flex length or trace length. I know flex length or trace length can be ignored but they can play major important in resistance and voltage drop. I am trying to find a good calculator or program that can include trace length when you calculate impedance control. We are doing a lot of RF flex design here at Harris Corp and it is tougher to make a determine on what trace width spacing etc are to accomplish 50 ohms, 100 ohms, 2 amps, 5 amps, etc...

     

    Mark

  •  08-08-2007, 8:10 AM 511 in reply to 507

    Re: Flex Design Circuit Calculator

    Yes Mark, I can certainly appreciate your challenge!  While I am not aware of an impedance calculator that takes all your parameters into account I do have a link to a calculator you may find somewhat useful.  Granted it does not solve for impedance but has been a valuable tool for me in calculating resistance and voltage drop.  Best of all, it's free!

    A quick thought: Past experiance has shown me that when solving difficult transmision problems nothing beats building a quick coupon to test my calculations prior to commiting to a large production run.  Sometimes a prototype to test construction can be quicker and cheaper than building up the entire circuit.

    http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/lab/9643/TraceWidth.htm

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